Stack guide

Thymosin Alpha-1 and LL-37

Does pairing thymosin alpha-1 with LL-37 do anything for chronic infections, and what is the risk?

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Also searched as TA1 LL-37 stack, thymosin alpha 1 and LL37, immune peptide stack, Lyme peptide stack.

Why people combine Thymosin Alpha-1 and LL-37

Adaptive plus innate, in theory
The biofilm claim
What thymosin alpha-1 actually showed
Where the pair makes no sense

Thymosin Alpha-1 and LL-37 dosage and protocol

What appears in research and community protocols for each compound in the stack. Not a prescription.

PeptideDosageFrequencyTiming and route
Thymosin Alpha-10.5 to 1.6 mg2 to 3 times weekly; the approved schedule is 1.6 mg twice weeklysubcutaneous, belly or thigh, any time of day, spaced 3 to 4 days apart
LL-3750 to 125 mcgonce daily, or every other day if the injection site reacts; start at 50 mcgsubcutaneous in a separate syringe, rotating sites every dose because of local inflammation
How long

The two halves run on different clocks. Thymosin alpha-1 is used for 4 to 12 weeks in community protocols and 6 months continuously in the hepatitis B labeling. LL-37 runs 2 to 6 weeks, partly because injection site reactions accumulate and partly because there is no safety basis for anything longer. A common pattern is a short LL-37 block inside a longer thymosin alpha-1 course, then 4 to 8 weeks off both.

Notes
  • •The LL-37 numbers come from vendors and forums. No human study has tested any injected dosage, so they describe what people use rather than what works.
  • •The thymosin alpha-1 dosage does not change because it is stacked. 1.6 mg is the trial dose; community protocols often sit at 0.5 to 1 mg for general use. A 5 mg vial in 2 mL gives 2.5 mg per mL, so 1.6 mg is 64 units on an insulin syringe.
  • •LL-37 doses are tiny in volume: 50 mcg from a 2.5 mg per mL solution is 2 units, which is hard to measure accurately. Diluting further helps.
  • •Short daily thymosin alpha-1 courses of 5 to 7 days around an acute illness are borrowed from the sepsis trial design and are the only part of this stack with a trial analogue.

Work out syringe units for any of these in the dosage calculator.

Can you mix Thymosin Alpha-1 and LL-37 in one syringe?

What to expect, week by week

  1. Day 1 to 3

    Redness, warmth, swelling and soreness at LL-37 injection sites in most people, sometimes a welt that takes a day or two to fade. Mild redness or a run down feeling from the first thymosin alpha-1 doses in some.

  2. Week 1 to 2

    LL-37 site reactions either settle with rotation or get worse. Fatigue, low grade fever or a flu like feeling after doses is a reason to stop LL-37, not push through. Nothing from thymosin alpha-1 to feel.

  3. Week 3 to 8

    The window where any change in infection frequency, wound healing or recovery speed is first judged. There is no acute effect to track from thymosin alpha-1; lymphocyte subsets on bloodwork are the only objective measure. The LL-37 block usually ends here.

  4. Month 3 to 6

    The window the hepatitis B trials used for thymosin alpha-1 response, and the earliest point at which a chronic infection goal can fairly be evaluated. If nothing has changed, continuing has no support.

Side effects and cautions

Side effects reported
  • ▲Injection site redness, swelling, warmth and pain from LL-37, often significant
  • ▲Welts or firm lumps at LL-37 sites that last days
  • ▲Fatigue or a flu like feeling after doses of either compound
  • ▲Low grade fever or chills in a minority
  • ▲Injection site redness, soreness or small lumps from thymosin alpha-1
  • ▲Mild muscle aches, nausea, or a rash away from the injection site
Think twice if
  • ■Psoriasis, rosacea, lupus or any autoimmune condition. LL-37 is a recognized driver of inflammation in these diseases, and thymosin alpha-1 raises Th1 activity. This is the clearest reason to skip the stack.
  • ■Transplant recipients and anyone on immunosuppressants. The thymosin alpha-1 label advises against use after transplant, and LL-37 works against immunosuppressive therapy.
  • ■Anyone expecting it to treat Lyme disease, long COVID or a diagnosed infection. There is no controlled evidence for any of these, and a real infection needs a clinician.
  • ■Tested athletes. Both are treated as prohibited by WADA under S0, and athletes have been sanctioned for thymosin alpha-1.
  • ■Anyone who cannot tolerate injection site reactions. LL-37 produces them in most people by design, and spreading, blistering or ulcerating sites are a reason to stop.
Verdict

Thymosin Alpha-1 and LL-37: frequently asked

Is LL-37 safe to inject?
Does thymosin alpha-1 and LL-37 work for Lyme disease?
What is the thymosin alpha-1 dosage in this stack?
Why does LL-37 cause such a reaction at the injection site?
Can you take thymosin alpha-1 and LL-37 at the same time?
Is thymosin alpha-1 better than LL-37 for immune support?

Sources

  1. Thymosin alpha 1 in the treatment of chronic hepatitis B: a meta-analysis. Alimentary Pharmacology and Therapeutics, 2001
  2. The efficacy of thymosin alpha 1 for severe sepsis (ETASS): a multicenter, single-blind, randomized and controlled trial. Critical Care, 2013
  3. Treatment with LL-37 is safe and effective in enhancing healing of hard-to-heal venous leg ulcers: a randomized, placebo-controlled clinical trial. Wound Repair and Regeneration, 2014
  4. Human host defense peptide LL-37 prevents bacterial biofilm formation. Infection and Immunity, 2008
  5. Plasmacytoid dendritic cells sense self-DNA coupled with antimicrobial peptide. Nature, 2007
Educational only. Dose ranges describe what appears in published research and community protocols. This is not medical advice and most of these compounds are not approved for human use. Talk to a clinician who knows your history.